23 July 2023: This is of historical interest only now The matters raised below have been resolved. The Cassirers in Oberglogau were associated with Siegfried Cassirer, brother of Markus Cassirer. At the time of the discussion below it was believed that Markus was the son of Moses ben Loebel Cassirer. We now know that is not the case and that all the evidence points to him, and Siegfried being the sons of Moses ('Mausche') Cassirer of Bujakow - referred to below as Moses [2] Cassirer. We now have documentary evidence that Siegfried moved to Oberglogau on 1 September 1840.
From a dialogue between Expat and site editor:
Expat:
There's one of these terrible text-transcriptions with lots of missreadings by the computer, but it's better than nothing:
- http://archive.org/stream/geschichtedesj00branuoft/geschichtedesj00branuoft_djvu.txt
- At amazon there's a new facsimile of this where at least you may read the correct title:
- The interesting lines are (rather to the end of the text-version):
Verzeichnis der zu Gunsten des Seminars errichteten Stiftungen und Legate. [List of foundations and bequests in favor of the Seminar, i.e.: Jewish-Theological Seminar (Fraenkel'sche Stiftung) in Breslau]
'27. (von) den Herren Siegfried Cassirer und D. Cohn zu Ober-Glogau, zum Andenken an ihre Eltern Moses Cassirer, st. 17. September 1852, und Eva Cassirer, st. 23. September 1852. und deren Tochter Ida, st. 23. Dezember 1863.'
which translates as:
27. (by) Messrs. Siegfried Cassirer and D. Cohen from Ober-Glogau, in memory of their parents Moses Cassirer, died September 17, 1852, and Eva Cassirer, died September 23, 1852, and their daughter Ida, died December 23, 1863.
Interesting point: Do 'Messrs.' Cassirer and Cohn have the same parents? Or is 'D. Cohn' rather Siegfried's wife, and 'Messr.' is just a bureaucratic routine-slip?
Site Editor Summary
We have a record of a bequest (date unknown)1 to the Jewish-Theological Seminar Foundation in Breslau in memory as follows:
Parents
Moses Cassirer (d. 17 Sep 1852
Eva ? (d. 23 Sep 1852)
Children
Ida Cassirer (d. 23 Dec 1863)
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Siegfried Cassirer2
D (or O) Cohen
Expat noted that "There is an identified Ida Cassirer - born Ida Crämer (Krämer), who married Leopold Cassirer (son of Salomon 2 Cassirer and Ernestine Wachsmann) in 1858. At best this would make her a daughter in law not daughter, which is a possible translation error.3 But it is hard to see the scenario where she becomes even a daughter in law to either this Moses (who seems not to be Moses Loebel Cassirer)4 or if the meaning is different to this Siegfried 2 Cassirer (son of Moses 2 Cassirer)."
Oberglogau is one of our known Cassirer regions and only about 20 km from Gogolin. The most likely match is this:
We have on record the following:
- Siegfried Cassirer (brother of Markus Cassirer) married Henriette Fischer (1821-1891)
- Henriette Fisher's sister Eva Fischer married Moses Cassirer who I identify tentatively with Moses 2 Cassirer above.
Moses ('Mausche') married Eva Fischer and in due course had a son Loebel 2 Cassirer (7 Mar 1809-bef 1849)5. We have no record of their other children but they could well have included Ida, Siegfried and daughter O or D Cohen (although mysteriously Siegfried and D Cohen are referred to as "Messrs").6.
SITE EDITOR: The simplest conclusion appears to be that Siegfried and Ida were indeed the children of Moses [2] Cassirer and his wife Eva. The dates cited appear consistent with this conclusion.
1 Expat: I couldn't find the exact date the donations to the Seminar were made. Perhaps this is hidden somewhere in the rotten computer-transscription (I haven't studied it patiently). ⇑
2 This cannot be Siegfried 2 Cassirer son of Salomon 2 Cassirer and Rosel KRÄMER - since these are the wrong parents ⇑
3 Expat: Whilst there is an Ida Cassirer (ne Ida Krämer) in the family tree from the right region, how can 'Ida', born Krämer, be a daughter of Cassirers? It seems she is a daughter-in-law [Schwiegertochter]. So, again a bureaucratic routine-slip. BUT: we shouldn't forget that not all 'participants' in jewish documents spoke the average 'Hochdeutsch' of today's German but mixtures of - e.g. - Yiddish with Czech, Hungarian, Polish etc.. This means that we should count with somehow inventive ad hoc-translations to fit the spoken into the bureaucratic 'Hochdeutsch' printed form. ⇑
4 Moses Loebel Cassirer (d. 28 Apr 1837) died 15 years too early to be the Moses in this record and he married Pesel Bat Salomon not Eva ⇑
5 Moses 2 Cassirer and Eva Fischer in turn had a son Moritz 2 Cassirer (4 Sep 1829-8 Mar 1830) who thus died in his first year ⇑
6 Expat: Remember the possibility of missreadings, especially the 'D' of 'Cohn' which might also be an 'O'. If this should be of first importance, then we should look for the facsimile (from some other library through Heidelberg University Library). But the snippet of google-books (in this case from the original text) says the same: ' 27. . den Herren Siegfried Cassirer und D. Cohn zu Ober-Glogau, zum Andenken an ihre Eltern Moses Cassirer, st. 17. September 1852, und Eva Cassirer, st. 23. September 1852, und deren Tochter Ida, st. 23. Dezember 1863.' ⇑
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